Steve Irving Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: There's absolutely zero reason for any Stars fans to panic. I'd argue that the points scored is quite encouraging. Had Kvech scored 8-9 (expected) at No5 the result could easily have been reversed. Regardless of how they got the points, 4 from Castagna & 3 from Rushen is fine. Move the top 5 riding order to:- 1, Fricke 2, Castagna 3, Kvech 4, Harris, 5, Cook, it will be far more solid If my Aunt had a pair of b0llocks and all that. IF Musielak repeated his 17 pointer haul on one of his visits last year (capable) Lynn would have been obliterated. IF Bangs had more time to settle in to racing in this Country it wouldn’t have even gone to the last heat etc etc. The fact is Lynn never looked like winning either meeting and had to use a tactical on their own track against a team many has tipped for the Wooden Spoon! They’ll improve and get better results as the season goes on sure, but they’re not even close to competing for that elusive title you’ve never won. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago A thoroughly deserved win for Ipswich, once again they were far sharper from the gate. Brennan was excellent and as a Team GB fan its great to see m, I think he can develop into a very good rider. Lynn just need to start better. Apart from Kvech who was on a lawnmower everyone had plenty of speed, Scott and Rushen had loads of pace but were yards behind into the first turn. They will get better and score plenty of points particularly at home. They were always going to take time to settle. Thought Paco had a decent home debut. The Witches were pretty ordinary below Brennan & King but always had the Stars at arm's length. Lynn need to be much better when the fixture is repeated next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 37 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: A thoroughly deserved win for Ipswich, once again they were far sharper from the gate. Brennan was excellent and as a Team GB fan its great to see m, I think he can develop into a very good rider. Lynn just need to start better. Apart from Kvech who was on a lawnmower everyone had plenty of speed, Scott and Rushen had loads of pace but were yards behind into the first turn. They will get better and score plenty of points particularly at home. They were always going to take time to settle. Thought Paco had a decent home debut. The Witches were pretty ordinary below Brennan & King but always had the Stars at arm's length. Lynn need to be much better when the fixture is repeated next month. He has had a great first two meetings - hope it continues for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 4 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: There's absolutely zero reason for any Stars fans to panic. I'd argue that the points scored is quite encouraging. Had Kvech scored 8-9 (expected) at No5 the result could easily have been reversed. Regardless of how they got the points, 4 from Castagna & 3 from Rushen is fine. Move the top 5 riding order to:- 1, Fricke 2, Castagna 3, Kvech 4, Harris, 5, Cook, it will be far more solid The trouble with you doing this (and we’re all guilty of it at times) is you’re looking at it through your Lynn spectacles. You’ve looked down the scorecard and picked out one score from a rider that you think should have improved on his tally, and yet ignored that Ben Cook scored paid 15. Yes, it’s a poor performance this time around from Kvech who is usually better than that, but you won’t get paid 15 from Cook every week either so if you took four points off him and added it to Kvech’s score then nobody would bat an eyelid and it’d look about right. With my Ipswich spectacles on, I look at a combined 11 from Lawson and Musielak and I’m disappointed with that and would hope that would be improved upon next time, and the same for a 3 point return from Bangs. I’d expect improvement there also next time around. What ifs is an impossible game to play and we can only deal with what IS. As has been said before, you could ride 10 meetings on the same track with exactly the same riders and not get the same scoreline twice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 11 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I agree with your first point, I don't see the rush for him to be a top 6 Prem rider in his first season as a 16 year old. Not sure if have recommended him as the RS either, felt there was no harm, starting in the Champ only & if he's scoring well, then look to step up. But I wouldn't say he's been "thrown to the Wolves" he could simply have said no thank you to the offer of a top 6 team place. Teenage bravado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 11 hours ago, szkocjasid said: most riders take smaller steps. Is these steps small enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, SJA said: What this result show is that Leicester were correct in not signing Fricke. His average is to high for the six man limit below 40 points. As a result they have to run an inexperienced No6 who is going to find it tough at this level. Cooper is a great talent as shown by his paid max at Poole so I hope that riding at 6 does not hurt his confidence. I suspect its going to be another long old season for Lynn fans. Lynn promotion will never learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoofer Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: A thoroughly deserved win for Ipswich, once again they were far sharper from the gate. Brennan was excellent and as a Team GB fan its great to see m, I think he can develop into a very good rider. Lynn just need to start better. Apart from Kvech who was on a lawnmower everyone had plenty of speed, Scott and Rushen had loads of pace but were yards behind into the first turn. They will get better and score plenty of points particularly at home. They were always going to take time to settle. Thought Paco had a decent home debut. The Witches were pretty ordinary below Brennan & King but always had the Stars at arm's length. Lynn need to be much better when the fixture is repeated next month. Sorry Bagpuss but this post doesn't really make sense. Happy with the speed of the KL riders apart from Kvech whilst also saying that Ipswich were ordinary apart from 2. They were either fast enough to score points or they weren't. Needing a 5-1 from a tac sub at home to keep it close would suggest something very different to what you've posted. Granted I wasn't there watching so only a keyboard opinion from looking at the scoresheet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Aries said: Not necessarily. Fricke himself isn’t the problem although it does inevitably make things difficult to build the rest of the team on a reduced team total. It looks like their issue was also signing a near 7 pointer and two 6 and a half pointers just below him. That doesn’t look wise at the moment. At no point did I say Fricke was the problem. The problem is his high average and to accommodate it the compromises that have to be made elsewhere to get below the points limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 12 hours ago, TB1 said: Agreed, imagine if you'd have said 30 years ago that at 48 this young whippersnapper will still be gunning down the Stars in the next century you'd have been carted away by men in white coats! Scott can do what PK did in his final season at Wolves knock in 6-8 on a regular basics and maybe the odd big score at home ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, YeOldPitGate said: Baring injuries Northampton should be shoe in for the spoon. Northampton shoe in? Very apt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted 4 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, SJA said: What this result show is that Leicester were correct in not signing Fricke. His average is to high for the six man limit below 40 points. As a result they have to run an inexperienced No6 who is going to find it tough at this level. Cooper is a great talent as shown by his paid max at Poole so I hope that riding at 6 does not hurt his confidence. I suspect its going to be another long old season for Lynn fans. 7 minutes ago, SJA said: At no point did I say Fricke was the problem. The problem is his high average and to accommodate it the compromises that have to be made elsewhere to get below the points limit. Well that’s exactly what you implied! Edited 4 hours ago by Aries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Aries said: Well that’s exactly what you implied! The problem is building any team under 37 points for 6 riders with 26.73% of the total used for one rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 23 minutes ago, Spoofer said: Sorry Bagpuss but this post doesn't really make sense. Happy with the speed of the KL riders apart from Kvech whilst also saying that Ipswich were ordinary apart from 2. They were either fast enough to score points or they weren't. Needing a 5-1 from a tac sub at home to keep it close would suggest something very different to what you've posted. Granted I wasn't there watching so only a keyboard opinion from looking at the scoresheet. They were quite clearly fast enough to score points but scored 5, 7, 6, 3 and 5. Thats not a criticism, they collectively weren't great but weren't bad either and of course did more than enough to help win the meeting. I agree the tac sub made the scoreline closer than it really was and to reiterate I don't agree with home tac subs, I'd get rid. Ipswich never looked like not winning from heat 2 onwards really, Lynn got close a couple of times but it never felt like they could reel the Witches in. I am not a panicker at all and have become quite level headed about sport nowadays, we are all emotional about the teams we support but I find it easier to be objective as I've got a bit older. Lynn's team has potential and it is going to take a while for that to be realised but on last night's evidence speed isn't the issue. Some will think that the tail will stay long for the whole season and I understand the argument but I just can't see the two reserves not improving. We shall see. Ultimately if you gate poorly you ain't going to win many speedway meetings, its ever been thus and Lynn need to sort that out above all else. Ipswich have embarrassed them from the traps this week. Edited 4 hours ago by Bagpuss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, SJA said: At no point did I say Fricke was the problem. The problem is his high average and to accommodate it the compromises that have to be made elsewhere to get below the points limit. Eh? You say you never said Fricke was the problem and then go on to explain exactly why Fricke IS the problem in the very same post. That hole looks deep enough, you can stop digging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: A thoroughly deserved win for Ipswich, once again they were far sharper from the gate. Brennan was excellent and as a Team GB fan its great to see m, I think he can develop into a very good rider. Lynn just need to start better. Apart from Kvech who was on a lawnmower everyone had plenty of speed, Scott and Rushen had loads of pace but were yards behind into the first turn. They will get better and score plenty of points particularly at home. They were always going to take time to settle. Thought Paco had a decent home debut. The Witches were pretty ordinary below Brennan & King but always had the Stars at arm's length. Lynn need to be much better when the fixture is repeated next month. What a sad state of affairs our sport is in when we are calling on our riders to make better starts to win meetings. Wouldn’t it be lovely if the promoters saw their riders struggle to pass and next time prepared a racetrack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: They were quite clearly fast enough to score points but scored 5, 7, 6, 3 and 5. Thats not a criticism, they collectively weren't great but weren't bad either and of course did more than enough to help win the meeting. But that’s to be expected away from home because that’s the way Ipswich have been forced to build their team. You’ll see that type of scoring from those riders quite often this year. You say “collectively they weren’t great”, but “Collectively” those ordinary looking scores all totted up nicely to a meeting winning result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, ouch said: What a sad state of affairs our sport is in when we are calling on our riders to make better starts to win meetings. Wouldn’t it be lovely if the promoters saw their riders struggle to pass and next time prepared a racetrack. Ipswich were the men and Lynn the boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 24 minutes ago, SJA said: At no point did I say Fricke was the problem. The problem is his high average and to accommodate it the compromises that have to be made elsewhere to get below the points limit. To go with such a high average No1 in a reduced league needs at least one five point potential future superstar being brought in... One who will destroy that average and average seven plus... I think back to Madsen, Janowski, Pawlicki etc who came over at reserve and rode like a fourth heat leader/best second string.. That is the level of rider they need, and that would cost big money, and, with Brexit issues probably lots of logistical problems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitelinehugger Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 23 minutes ago, mikebv said: To go with such a high average No1 in a reduced league needs at least one five point potential future superstar being brought in... One who will destroy that average and average seven plus... I think back to Madsen, Janowski, Pawlicki etc who came over at reserve and rode like a fourth heat leader/best second string.. That is the level of rider they need, and that would cost big money, and, with Brexit issues probably lots of logistical problems... Like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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