mikebv Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 All that dirt must weigh the bike down... So that's why he struggles at the NSS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 10 hours ago, chun said: Witches would have won if it wasn’t for Kurtz and Bewley Aces would have won by 30 if Brennan and King weren’t riding 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 35 minutes ago, Gavan said: We did better than I expected …..said before Nicholls wouldn’t score and Lawson and Musielek struggle there so to keep it to 12 was pretty good We could get the bonus I’m sure Bewley and Kurtz will keep it close…. The other Belle Vue boys can’t ride Foxhall It’s no disgrace to not be able to ride a farmers field 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 We did better than I thought we would. We all know Nicholls will struggle on these bigger faster tracks these days. I still think we will surprise a few this year however ultimately to stand a chance of winning anything this year we need to be able to overturn Sheffield Leicester &Belle Vueover two legs. Mayfield have a free pass this year & the boys don’t have any real pressure or expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: we had good crowd against sheffield and leicester but that was down to one being a rival and the other being bank holiday. But ... the point is that most, if not all, tracks can say the same. Better attendances for big rivalries or Bank Holidays, yet the extra people aren't tempted back for "normal" meetings, even at the NSS where very good racing is expected. Why not? It's not a new "cost of living" thing, it's been happening for a while, and needs to be addressed by the sport as a whole ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Wish they’d scrap the tactical sub rule, or at least make it only available for a shorter window for an away side to even up the home track advantage. tac sub or no tac sub belle vue would’ve made that home advantage come true I’m sure over the course of the meeting but the tac sub undoes so much of the hard work from unfancied underdog witches last night and impacts the chances of the bonus point over two legs massively 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: But ... the point is that most, if not all, tracks can say the same. Better attendances for big rivalries or Bank Holidays, yet the extra people aren't tempted back for "normal" meetings, even at the NSS where very good racing is expected. Why not? It's not a new "cost of living" thing, it's been happening for a while, and needs to be addressed by the sport as a whole ... yeah, its a speedway problem for sure, the fans are there, proven by every club getting good crowds at some point in a season, good racing alone does not cut it, it needs other things going on, at affordable prices for families to especially if they want to call it a family sport things must change at the top, the club owners must change there ways also and not be happy with a 100k loss in a season Edited April 21 by PhilTheAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 i do worry for my club this season though, the activity on my belle vue facebook page is down by more than double in interactions, im guessing a winter of delays have made people just give up on the sport 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Wish they’d scrap the tactical sub rule, or at least make it only available for a shorter window for an away side to even up the home track advantage. tac sub or no tac sub belle vue would’ve made that home advantage come true I’m sure over the course of the meeting but the tac sub undoes so much of the hard work from unfancied underdog witches last night and impacts the chances of the bonus point over two legs massively 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said: No wonder lawson was poor turning up with bikes not clean. Not very professional Not the first time he's done that, I commented on it when he used to ride for Leicester. You get the feeling that if he took the sport seriously (difficult I know) is that he could be a far far better performer than he already is, a Floppy Norris/Jason Doyle type, maybe not to Doyley standards but certainly Floppy. He seems happier to be a better than average journeyman than and clean up in the CL to supplement his bread and butter of being a plasterer. 1 hour ago, mikebv said: To be fair, the Aces followers do make up a large portion of the GP crowds, easily the largest single contingent... As you would imagine given the locality... Therefore I can see why crowds drop, (like last year), in the weeks leading up to the meetings, given the cost.. You also have people like myself, and nine others, who will attend the GP's but are not regular visitors to the NSS, due to, as you say, not having any real engagement for UK Speedway meetings that have little importance.. There are many more "Followers" than regular "Fans", like at most tracks, with the GP's bringing them out... The key for the UK version of the sport is to re-engage those "Followers" to become "Fans" again, as it would seriously boost the attendances around the country... I think one of the main reasons may be, as you've mentioned many times, the lack of jeopardy... Ippo are in town! Come and see them! What's at stake? Well, nothing much really, it's just a qualifier But they may not qualify! It's almost impossible for them not to qualify They're the current league champions! But there's only 3 of those riders are in the team this year Okay come and see Tom Brennan & Tobias Musielak then! I'll catch them next time Ippo are in town, for the B fixture, a KO Cup tie or a play off tie... or any number of times over the course of this season as a guest rider Oh don't bother then! Okay 👍 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 12 minutes ago, IainB said: Not the first time he's done that, I commented on it when he used to ride for Leicester. You get the feeling that if he took the sport seriously (difficult I know) is that he could be a far far better performer than he already is, a Floppy Norris/Jason Doyle type, maybe not to Doyley standards but certainly Floppy. He seems happier to be a better than average journeyman than and clean up in the CL to supplement his bread and butter of being a plasterer. I think one of the main reasons may be, as you've mentioned many times, the lack of jeopardy... Ippo are in town! Come and see them! What's at stake? Well, nothing much really, it's just a qualifier But they may not qualify! It's almost impossible for them not to qualify They're the current league champions! But there's only 3 of those riders are in the team this year Okay come and see Tom Brennan & Tobias Musielak then! I'll catch them next time Ippo are in town, for the B fixture, a KO Cup tie or a play off tie... or any number of times over the course of this season as a guest rider Oh don't bother then! Okay 👍 Pretty much it... Add in almost zero atmosphere due to hardly any (if any at all), away fans, and it certainly isn't an "event" that stirs the blood... The Play Offs are similar to when a small football team get to Wembley... All their "followers" turn out, yet the week later, the usual "fans" are in the ground with the "followers" sat at home, (maybe), checking the score now and again.... The sport needs root and branch radical change if it wants to carry on.. Having to charge £25 to stand and watch, so you can pay riders what they want to ride for you, riders who will put hardly one extra person through the turnstile, meaning you have minimal budget for marketing, or enhancing "the match day experience" is truly barmy from a business perspective... Yet they continue to slavishly follow the same business and unfit for purpose operating model... Amazing... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: No wonder lawson was poor turning up with bikes not clean. Not very professional Wouldn't have made a difference if his kit was shiny and new. The NSS is the only track in the country that Richard struggles on hence why he doesn't even bother competing in British Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: No wonder lawson was poor turning up with bikes not clean. Not very professional What a lazy b*stard. 7 minutes ago, TTT said: Wouldn't have made a difference if his kit was shiny and new. Another mindset I absolutely detest. This is the exact thinking British speedway needs to get away from. It’s not about a bike being ”shiny and new”, it’s about professionalism, preparation and standards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phannan Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 15 minutes ago, Whitelinehugger said: He was out in the town the night before If he acted as dirty as his bikes the ladies were in for a treat.. or maybe not in this day and age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: What a lazy b*stard. Another mindset I absolutely detest. This is the exact thinking British speedway needs to get away from. It’s not about a bike being ”shiny and new”, it’s about professionalism, preparation and standards. It's attitude and pretty much sums up the attitude of British Speedway at the moment that this kind of turn out is acceptable, like I said it's not the first time. It's no good turning up at tracks being beaten before you're started. I hate to name Scott Nicholls as another one but how often have you heard him say he doesn't go well around the NSS, his performance last night was I hate to say pathetic! Mon Apr 20th 2026 Belle Vue v Ipswich (PRa) 4 0, 0, 0 0 Mon May 2nd 2022 Belle Vue v Peterborough (PRa) 2 1, R, 1 2 Mon Jul 25th 2022 Belle Vue v Peterborough (PRb) 4 0, 1', 1, 1 3 +1 Mon May 31st 2021 Belle Vue v Peterborough (PRa) 4 1, 2', 0, 3 6 +1 Mon Aug 9th 2021 Belle Vue v Peterborough (PRb) 4 0, 1, 2, 2 5 Mon Oct 11th 2021 Belle Vue v Peterborough (PRPO) 4 1, 3, 3, 3, 3, 1' 14 +1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 A game of two halves with the first being very gate’n’go that played into the witches hands given their preference for that type of heat (which I’m expecting to change with Colman onboard). Heat 8 onwards was terrific if you like racing and The Aces pulled away. Happy with the contribution from all Aces and pleased to see our Tom still mixing it. I thought we’d be outgunned at reserve but I’m happy with the 6-7 match up. Enjoyable but chilly night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 The tedious attempts at points scoring with regards to attendance is all a bit pointless as NOBODY has any right to crow about their attendance as they are all rubbish. I few hundred more here or there is no kind of win for a sport that use to attract thousands. Sure discuss on track battles but with regards attendances we need to lose the me me me insular thinking of the previous guy and look at the bigger picture collectively. Given the well documented and well know issues at Belle Vue we are still the only club to have had support that allows us to remain in the top tier. Other clubs chop and change when their support drops off again and this impacts us in our league as we don’t know who we will be against from one year to another. Having said that I’m not expecting Ipswich to drop down again as Colman is a breath of fresh air when compared to the cartel member he rescued the club from. I think he will be a wonderful ally but hope he doesn’t alienate himself from the home crowd as the wind of change takes hold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, PhilTheAce said: i do worry for my club this season though, the activity on my belle vue facebook page is down by more than double in interactions, im guessing a winter of delays have made people just give up on the sport No mainstream tv as well means reduced interest in the sport generally whether people like that or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 There is no way Louis would have had Lawson turn up with dirty bikes, he was a stickler for professionalism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 The Lawson bike talk really is moaning for the sake of moaning tbh. Lawson's Dirty Bikes -> 6 Points from 4 Rides.......Nicholls and Hellstrom-Bangs Clean Bikes -> 1+1 from 6 Rides. Clean/Dirty bikes really didn't make make a difference at all, Just got beat by the better team on the night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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