TTT Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago It doesn't matter this season as Ipswich are a lock for 4th place albeit cannon fodder in the play-offs. However Paul Hurry will need to learn from his mistakes and make sure that they don't happen again in 2027 like tonight where he threw away the Bonus Point by leaving Musielak out of Heat 15. It's not as simple as picking whoever scores the most points for you on the night, Far more too it than that, You need to look at who the points were scored against. For example, Lawson filled his boosts against Kildemand and Zischke all night, Where's Musielak beat Kurtz and Harris in Heat 11 as well as beating Harris in Heat 4. Overall I'm happy with the win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 38 minutes ago, TTT said: It doesn't matter this season as Ipswich are a lock for 4th place albeit cannon fodder in the play-offs. However Paul Hurry will need to learn from his mistakes and make sure that they don't happen again in 2027 like tonight where he threw away the Bonus Point by leaving Musielak out of Heat 15. It's not as simple as picking whoever scores the most points for you on the night, Far more too it than that, You need to look at who the points were scored against. For example, Lawson filled his boosts against Kildemand and Zischke all night, Where's Musielak beat Kurtz and Harris in Heat 11 as well as beating Harris in Heat 4. Overall I'm happy with the win. A good solid all round performance tonight. In particular the 5 1 over Kurtz and Harris. On the subject of the track, asking a lay question. Have we spent too many years messing around with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago I think both teams can be happy with that result. A home win and another bonus to The Aces. When taking the RR rides and Jason’s replacement into account we were around 35 points for the team average. Very weak and some 3 points behind the home team so to get the win over two legs was a fine achievement. Seems the racing was once again an issue at Foxhall. I’d role my eyes and anticipate more of the same had the last lot still been about who were happy to plod on no matter how poor the product - sound familiar. Being a like minded chap I wouldn’t be surprised to see Colman reach out to his British GP colleagues in an attempt to iron out these issues with the circuit. Might venture down again once the magic has been administered. Well done to all riders, staff & fans for being part of this meeting on a hellishly hot evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SPEEDY69 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 3 hours ago, SilentLurker said: Whenever you find yourself wondering what is causing the downfall of British speedway be it selfish promoters, finances, lack of advertisement, no characters in the sport anymore, unreliable meetings with the weather etc. The truth is the downfall is down to tracks like this. Any possibility of racing is absolutely strangled from the off. Follow the leader on repeat for 15 hearts month in month out and year in year out. Tripe. Nonsense, if that were true Redcar and belle Vue would be packed every meeting but they are in exactly the same boat as everyone else. The racing makes no difference to crowd levels. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: Nonsense, if that were true Redcar and belle Vue would be packed every meeting but they are in exactly the same boat as everyone else. The racing makes no difference to crowd levels. Success is what brings in crowd levels. Has always been the case. Exeter were a prime example of that in the premier days, regular got well over 1000 a week due to winning at home 99 percent of the time even though they were awful away from home most of the time. And the racing there was absolutely rubbish, gate and go. Having a big council funded stadium with a nice, good race track doesn't guarantee a good crowd as Belle Vue have found out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 10 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: I think he's turned into something of a "throttle-jockey" (don't like the term) in recent years - he's much less interested if tracks are dry and slick, unless he makes a start. Certainly he's much more hit and miss, even in the Championship. He is getting on now though not going to be the same rider as he was a decade ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 13 hours ago, foreverblue said: Has Phil Morris changed anything for the betterment of British speedway? NO ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 12 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: I think he's turned into something of a "throttle-jockey" (don't like the term) in recent years - he's much less interested if tracks are dry and slick, unless he makes a start. Certainly he's much more hit and miss, even in the Championship. In his defence he's 43 yrs old and time catches up with everyone and not being a gater is huge handicap the older you get ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 7 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: 7 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Always happy to see Kurtz colours lowered must have something to do with being a Bartosz Zmarzlik Fan ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 15 minutes ago, FAST GATER said: Always happy to see Kurtz colours lowered must have something to do with being a Bartosz Zmarzlik Fan ! You are a Zmarzlik fan? Or are you asking me if I am and that’s why I uploaded it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 8 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: You are a Zmarzlik fan? Or are you asking me if I am and that’s why I uploaded it? Sorry for confusion I'm the Bart fan appreciate Kurtz skill etc but just can't take to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago dreadful meeting more work needed on the track, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Nonsense, if that were true Redcar and belle Vue would be packed every meeting but they are in exactly the same boat as everyone else. The racing makes no difference to crowd levels. Having something tangibly worth winning is the breakthrough the sport needs above anything else... Other sports show that the bigger the prize, the bigger the interest, and it then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy... A top league with a seven figure prize fund, would give each meeting some relevance and also give the tier two teams something to aspire to be in.. With a big prize up for grabs, winning then means something, with the potential result of the meeting being the engagement, regardless of the racing.. And if you deliver great racing too, then even better.. There must have been over 3,000 Aces fans in attendance at the recent GP's, (like last year), yet crowds for UK Speedway at the NSS are not even half that.. The reason? The lack of engagement that UK Speedway has... Same track, same great racing, even some of the same riders in view... The key differences being the size of the prize on offer, the credibility of the occasion, and the nights the events are ran on.. If any "new blood" coming into the sport could secure some major sponsorship for it, then that truly would be a game changer for UK Speedways future... They would though, firstly, have to do a huge job on the brands image and reputation, and unpick so much of what is currently seen as acceptable... The fans are still out there, in much greater numbers than currently physically attend.. UK Speedway just needs to find a way to engage them again... Something worth winning would be a huge start... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 26 minutes ago, mikebv said: Having something tangibly worth winning is the breakthrough the sport needs above anything else... Other sports show that the bigger the prize, the bigger the interest, and it then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy... A top league with a seven figure prize fund, would give each meeting some relevance and also give the tier two teams something to aspire to be in.. With a big prize up for grabs, winning then means something, with the potential result of the meeting being the engagement, regardless of the racing.. And if you deliver great racing too, then even better.. There must have been over 3,000 Aces fans in attendance at the recent GP's, (like last year), yet crowds for UK Speedway at the NSS are not even half that.. The reason? The lack of engagement that UK Speedway has... Same track, same great racing, even some of the same riders in view... The key differences being the size of the prize on offer, the credibility of the occasion, and the nights the events are ran on.. If any "new blood" coming into the sport could secure some major sponsorship for it, then that truly would be a game changer for UK Speedways future... They would though, firstly, have to do a huge job on the brands image and reputation, and unpick so much of what is currently seen as acceptable... The fans are still out there, in much greater numbers than currently physically attend.. UK Speedway just needs to find a way to engage them again... Something worth winning would be a huge start... To be fair Mike I think even 50k first prize would get things moving to a high degree, maybe Harry is working on something to that effect. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 45 minutes ago, mikebv said: Having something tangibly worth winning is the breakthrough the sport needs above anything else... <snip> I remember when Adam Ellis first rode for the Witches. In reaching a Final I posted about winning the £250k prize, and his dad got really excited ... until he realised the sarcasm of my comment. Edited 1 hour ago by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 10 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Not sure to what extent they "held" him, he never mounted a challenge ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted 51 minutes ago Report Share Posted 51 minutes ago 9 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Nonsense, if that were true Redcar and belle Vue would be packed every meeting but they are in exactly the same boat as everyone else. The racing makes no difference to crowd levels. if anything the racing is often better now than it was back then, during Lockdown the Save Oxford Speedway YouTube put up old matches from the 80s, 90s and 00's - despite the obvious nostalgia element the racing was not great alot of the time - Hans regularly cleared off to win by the length of the home straight! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 48 minutes ago Report Share Posted 48 minutes ago 10 hours ago, ouch said: I think both teams can be happy with that result. A home win and another bonus to The Aces. When taking the RR rides and Jason’s replacement into account we were around 35 points for the team average. Very weak and some 3 points behind the home team so to get the win over two legs was a fine achievement. Seems the racing was once again an issue at Foxhall. I’d role my eyes and anticipate more of the same had the last lot still been about who were happy to plod on no matter how poor the product - sound familiar. Being a like minded chap I wouldn’t be surprised to see Colman reach out to his British GP colleagues in an attempt to iron out these issues with the circuit. Might venture down again once the magic has been administered. Well done to all riders, staff & fans for being part of this meeting on a hellishly hot evening. You are wrong, both teams won't be happy, Ipswich threw away the bonus point, moan about the track but it is restricted by the stock car track and fans want to see success like last season, they are less worried about the quality of racing. Poole also get good crowds because of their success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 39 minutes ago Report Share Posted 39 minutes ago (edited) 1 hour ago, YeOldPitGate said: To be fair Mike I think even 50k first prize would get things moving to a high degree, maybe Harry is working on something to that effect. The 105 team places in the top two tiers must earn what? An average of £30k a rider? Given the standard runs from GP Superstar to NDL level... If so, that's over £3 Million paid out... Any troubleshooter coming into the sport, would immediately say... "Restructure your operating model to find a way to knock a million off your payroll and stick it into prize money and marketing".... Edited 38 minutes ago by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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