Tinker Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Just now, foreverblue said: They could have done with Batch scoring earlier in the meeting! How about Batchelor out and Pedersen in. Thought he looked very much on the pace last night and can only get better. Never ridden the track before either but easily won his first race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Steve Irving said: Oh but you don’t, do you Iain? You have serious issues. “Liked” by your doppleganger Mike, who’d have thunk it? You two would light up any party. Absolutely exhausting the pair of you try and suck any joy out of anything and everything 🙄 Iain's comments were very fair I would suggest, and given his opinion is based on facts, very relevant, and should be seen as constructive, especially given so many tracks seem to have lost the Quality Control that Phil Morris brought in.. To be honest, he came in and made changes that were, for me, quite embarrassing in their basic nature... Why Promoters needed some Quality Control checklist which included starting meetings on time, having the centre green tidied with the sponsors prmoinent, and riders ready for the next race as soon as the last one ended, was as low level as it could be... Never mind "grabbing the low hanging fruit" he was picking it up off the floor!!! Yet, this season, without him, we are seeing some of the "old ways" coming back.. Given the nature of the sport, incidents can easily happen which elongate the evening, therefore, starting on time has to be a given to ensure punters get home at a reasonable time... A new venture in particular should strive for excellence in everything it does, and all adverse feedback is often what it needs for longer term growth.. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: Iain's comments were very fair I would suggest, and given his opinion is based on facts, very relevant, and should be seen as constructive, especially given so many tracks seem to have lost the Quality Control that Phil Morris brought in.. To be honest, he came in and made changes that were, for me, quite embarrassing in their basic nature... Why Promoters needed some Quality Control checklist which included starting meetings on time, having the centre green tidied with the sponsors prmoinent, and riders ready for the next race as soon as the last one ended, was as low level as it could be... Never mind "grabbing the low hanging fruit" he was picking it up off the floor!!! Yet, this season, without him, we are seeing some of the "old ways" coming back.. Given the nature of the sport, incidents can easily happen which elongate the evening, therefore, starting on time has to be a given to ensure punters get home at a reasonable time... A new venture in particular should strive for excellence in everything it does, and all adverse feedback is often what it needs for longer term growth.. Even the basics of conducting interviews in front of the sponsorship board has lapsed, saw on interview with Klindt on Fox's socials last week with tractors in the background... unless they've picked up a vintage tractor sponsorship recently it's to hell with the league sponsors, who needs 'em! You'll often see many riders when being interviewed go and reach for their cap first before doing so, it's the first thing on their mind, for many British promoters it doesn't even seem to be in their minds at all. It's pretty basic stuff really 🤷♂️ Edited 6 hours ago by IainB 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago why the criticism for a new venture in Northampton is beyond me....Lets look at some of the facts. The stadium is mainly built around cars, no cars equals no speedway, now if that means there are times when the track isn't up to it then that's the nature of the beast I'm afraid, far from ideal but unless you have a purpose built speedway facility then that's what the Foxes have too work with. The promoters were late to the party in terms of team building, it's not rocket science that the team isn't strong enough, take a look at the other side of the coin if the Foxes weren't in the league. Instead of fans getting on the backs of a new organisation who are willing to take a financial risk why not try and get behind them...then again if you listen to some on here speedway is already in the final throngs of existence and appear to thrive on that negative mentality. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Odds On said: why the criticism for a new venture in Northampton is beyond me....Lets look at some of the facts. The stadium is mainly built around cars, no cars equals no speedway, now if that means there are times when the track isn't up to it then that's the nature of the beast I'm afraid, far from ideal but unless you have a purpose built speedway facility then that's what the Foxes have too work with. The promoters were late to the party in terms of team building, it's not rocket science that the team isn't strong enough, take a look at the other side of the coin if the Foxes weren't in the league. Instead of fans getting on the backs of a new organisation who are willing to take a financial risk why not try and get behind them...then again if you listen to some on here speedway is already in the final throngs of existence and appear to thrive on that negative mentality. Top post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Bagpuss said: Will be interesting to see him race. Agree - such a shame that Lynn don't offer a stream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Agree - such a shame that Lynn don't offer a stream Buster tight as a ducks arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago I am part of the track curator team at Northampton, i have sent ianb a msg to call me, I will give him all the true facts!! Regarding the track prep, ect, sponsor boards, but as of yet he has not called? I will give him time to respond, but clearly if he doesn't, then he really isn't interested in facts, then it will show he doesn't want the truth, just wants to have a dig at a brand new club, who's staff are going well above and beyond to try and make it a success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 32 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Agree - such a shame that Lynn don't offer a stream Folk sitting at home cat buy Buster's beer and burgers, I suspect thats the bottom line. Woul be nice to see it trialled though to see how it effects crowds and refreshment sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulnolan Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago The Foxes have no divine right to exist and no right to expect fans to back them just because they are there. After many years without a team, I am happy to have one nearby but am long past falling for the "use it or lose it" argument. If a track is well run, even within the confines of British speedway's current overseers, it will attract a strong core audience. It was clear from the off that the team was not good enough. However, you can't just expect fans to pay £25 a go to support any old rubbish. The speed with which Belle Vue signed Doyle to replace Bewley showed that there was no need for the Foxes to feed off scraps (ironically), and more thought should have been put into an exciting, winning team, rather than a collection of veterans and two promising youngsters. We all know why the Foxes were created but that doesn't have to be the reason they exist. There's no point in being a team to make up the numbers to stop your league looking like an embarrassment if your makeweight isn't going to be able to stand on its own two feet. Home defeat after home defeat may inflate the points totals of the other five teams, but it will kill a promotion quicker than any late start, uneven track, or even bad chips (the chips are good, though). We're not halfway through the season yet so there is a chance to make this succeed. But it needs the full weight of the BSPL behind it. Or, if that is already happening, please stop because it's not working. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 19 minutes ago, BTFC LION said: I am part of the track curator team at Northampton, i have sent ianb a msg to call me, I will give him all the true facts!! Regarding the track prep, ect, sponsor boards, but as of yet he has not called? I will give him time to respond, but clearly if he doesn't, then he really isn't interested in facts, then it will show he doesn't want the truth, just wants to have a dig at a brand new club, who's staff are going well above and beyond to try and make it a success. Mate, credit for messaging me with your number, although the message was a bit passive aggressive, so I will not be calling you, especially now you've made your private message public (classy), maybe I should make your mobile number public should others wish to call you? As far as I'm concerned you can save your breath, I've heard it all before, I've just been going to Speedway for far too long. There were obvious concerns with the track last night. Maybe you should share the "facts" with everybody, many people won't come on here to point out the obvious basics that need sorting, they will just stop going... but as usual it's my fault for pointing this stuff out and not the management's for getting the basics right. I went to Aldi last night to pick some coleslaw up... they didn't have any! Basic, coleslaw... I went to a different shop who did have some! I await the facts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Track was rough after the stock cars, several grades in the first few heats, not enough water down. Finally sorted after the interval and some decent races in the later heats Presentation is pretty dull as mentioned elsewhere which is a shame as they have the chance to do something new. The tannoy is also pretty quiet in certain areas. More importantly though they need a couple of changes in the team, presumably Zagar will be back plus 1 other needed. A decent crowd (I'd say approx 1k?) but they really need some home wins or people will get fed up 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 58 minutes ago, IainB said: Mate, credit for messaging me with your number, although the message was a bit passive aggressive, so I will not be calling you, especially now you've made your private message public (classy), maybe I should make your mobile number public should others wish to call you? As far as I'm concerned you can save your breath, I've heard it all before, I've just been going to Speedway for far too long. There were obvious concerns with the track last night. Maybe you should share the "facts" with everybody, many people won't come on here to point out the obvious basics that need sorting, they will just stop going... but as usual it's my fault for pointing this stuff out and not the management's for getting the basics right. I went to Aldi last night to pick some coleslaw up... they didn't have any! Basic, coleslaw... I went to a different shop who did have some! I await the facts. I will reply after work, I don't care if you make it public, nothing to hide! I will talk to anyone, provided they listen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 27 minutes ago, paulnolan said: The Foxes have no divine right to exist and no right to expect fans to back them just because they are there. After many years without a team, I am happy to have one nearby but am long past falling for the "use it or lose it" argument. If a track is well run, even within the confines of British speedway's current overseers, it will attract a strong core audience. It was clear from the off that the team was not good enough. However, you can't just expect fans to pay £25 a go to support any old rubbish. The speed with which Belle Vue signed Doyle to replace Bewley showed that there was no need for the Foxes to feed off scraps (ironically), and more thought should have been put into an exciting, winning team, rather than a collection of veterans and two promising youngsters. We all know why the Foxes were created but that doesn't have to be the reason they exist. There's no point in being a team to make up the numbers to stop your league looking like an embarrassment if your makeweight isn't going to be able to stand on its own two feet. Home defeat after home defeat may inflate the points totals of the other five teams, but it will kill a promotion quicker than any late start, uneven track, or even bad chips (the chips are good, though). We're not halfway through the season yet so there is a chance to make this succeed. But it needs the full weight of the BSPL behind it. Or, if that is already happening, please stop because it's not working. Excellent Post... From exactly the type of person that Northampton need to 100% listen to... A keen, glad to have Speedway back on his doorstep, passionate fan... If the track was poor then the club tell everyone why, not via a PM to individuals, and, more importantly, what they will do to resolve the issue... Yours and Iain's feedback should be "Gold" to any new business wanting to succeed... I used to spend the first three months of any new store I opened receiving as much criticism as I could get, as I could then review it and, if accurate, make positive changes.. The danger is they go down the route of many others who simply haven't listened (refused to listen?) to an ever disenfranchised fanbase, a fanbase which many of still closely following the sport, and even attend individual and overseas meetings, but don't see UK Speedway as being relevant enough for them to attend.. One of the big advantages they have is to NOT do what so many others have done, and use the obvious mistakes of others to guide them in their decision making.. The whole "we should be glad Northampton exists" attitude is complete nonsense, as that is as low a level of expectation as it is conceivably possible to have, (and almost then gives justification for things not going to plan).. If the sport ever wants to be taken seriously then its the professionalism of it, and its off and on track infrastructure, which will determine its success, not whether it just exists.... Hope you and a seemingly decent number of others who attend can keep interested enough to make the season overall a success, and also keep constructively criticising where required.. They seem to have done a lot of things well to get themselves open, so now need that feedback from you and others to improve their "night at the Speedway".. Looking forward to going to watch the Aces there to tick another track off the list... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTFC LION Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, BTFC LION said: I will reply after work, I don't care if you make it public, nothing to hide! I will talk to anyone, provided they listen . Ianb you know exactly who I am, we had conversations in the past, regarding leicester, i will read all your points, as soon as I get chance properly, then I will put them out on here for all to see. I'm not management so can only give you facts I know are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, noaksey said: Track was rough after the stock cars, several grades in the first few heats, not enough water down. Finally sorted after the interval and some decent races in the later heats Presentation is pretty dull as mentioned elsewhere which is a shame as they have the chance to do something new. The tannoy is also pretty quiet in certain areas. More importantly though they need a couple of changes in the team, presumably Zagar will be back plus 1 other needed. A decent crowd (I'd say approx 1k?) but they really need some home wins or people will get fed up When is Zagar due back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noaksey Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 26 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said: When is Zagar due back ? Imminently someone told me yesterday (not an official source though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 hours ago, Tinker said: How about Batchelor out and Pedersen in. Thought he looked very much on the pace last night and can only get better. Never ridden the track before either but easily won his first race. I would not have Batch in any team but I appreciate he has been good for Workington. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 hours ago, Aries said: Juhl Pedersen booked for Lynn away on Thursday. Gets another opportunity. you will be seeing him a lot more that just this week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago im looking forward to my first time at Northampton next week, first year, came to the league late, still an awful lot of work to be done in winter, i wont have high hopes of anything NSS standard and i suggest others do also, judge them next season like we have to judge Richard Coleman next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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