Neila Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, CTD26 said: People wonder why young brits walk away from the sport with stuff like this. He’s 16 years old, I’d like to see if you’d have got to where he has at 16! All for a bit of banter between clubs but stop bagging young riders trying to make it, it’s boring. Not knocking the kid, he looked great in the NDL, but once he's turned 16 imo he is on the road to burn out, in the last week guest bookings in championship, meetings in Sweden and Poland, then back to Poole, and has not scored a lot of points, surely you start slowly to get used to riding at a higher standard, then get extra meetings, look at the last wonder kid, he did similar now retired after 2 years in the top tiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Dorsetpirate said: As a Poole fan from seeing that above picture and reading about it I'm shocked heat 15 went ahead. Yeah, I didn't realise they were holding it until after the race had finished. Be interesting to hear the refs side on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, Dorsetpirate said: As a Poole fan from seeing that above picture and reading about it I'm shocked heat 15 went ahead. Does seem strange decision from the Ref. only in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Maybe ref told him to but ref is at fault either way Was it a trainee ref last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: I think many of them will return, it was a good meeting with some good racing and passing, yes a bit dusty at times but that is expected at this time of year. A family of four were sitting next to us and had never been to speedway before. They have lived in the local area all their lives. Came last night on a whim. We explained the rules and what was going on. The lady was completely enthralled and scared as she thought they would crash at any moment. At the end we said goodbye and they said they would be back next week. Perhaps we have picked up four new fans. Goes to show incidents like faulty tapes or track issues have zero impact on many fans. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Yeah, I didn't realise they were holding it until after the race had finished. Be interesting to hear the refs side on it. I doubt you will hear what the ref thought at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Was it a trainee ref last night? SCB Referee: Wayne Jarvis and Josh Marsh (trainee) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Was it a trainee ref last night? No although in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 At least with people moaning about the starting tapes, track marshall etc, it took the attention away from the track prep, which to be honest, was very dusty towards the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Was it a trainee ref last night? Yes stated on updates, probably staying in ballie house while down south ☺️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsetpirate Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 29 minutes ago, LisaColette said: Yeah, I didn't realise they were holding it until after the race had finished. Be interesting to hear the refs side on it. Plus how dangerous it is for the start Marshall standing so close, thought there were rules about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: I think many of them will return, it was a good meeting with some good racing and passing, yes a bit dusty at times but that is expected at this time of year. Absolutely not! Regardless of the calendar, and prevailing weather, tracks are NOT expected to be dusty! As one who attends several tracks fairly regularly, I can say with some certainty there are those where dust can be practically guaranteed, and others where it is never, ever, a problem. Dust at speedway is a result of inadequate preparation, not from any great expectations. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 28 minutes ago, Neila said: Yes stated on updates, probably staying in ballie house while down south ☺️ Mr. Jarvis, and trainee referee Mr Marsh, having a debrief after the meeting.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toady Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) Let’s be honest, most would agree that Heat 15 should have stopped. The start marshal should have been warned or fined for blatantly favouring the home side. He clearly stepped in after seeing the Poole riders in front, just like in previous incidents where he was happy for his side to benefit from race stoppages. The referees’ inaction was poor, especially considering they had a trainee with them. He should have been on it straight away as it was clearly dangerous. Edited July 31 by Toady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 Might have been a different outcome had Kildemand been riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, crescent girl said: Absolutely not! Regardless of the calendar, and prevailing weather, tracks are NOT expected to be dusty! As one who attends several tracks fairly regularly, I can say with some certainty there are those where dust can be practically guaranteed, and others where it is never, ever, a problem. Dust at speedway is a result of inadequate preparation, not from any great expectations. But that doesn't always tell the full story. Track prep is often limited by track access, something most multi-use stadiums struggle with. Oxford is a prime example of this. The track for Cheetahs meetings on a Wednesday are rarely as dusty as the track for Spires meetings on a Thursday - because they have to wait for the greyhound meeting to finish in the afternoon. It makes a lot of difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickyag Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 49 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Mr. Jarvis, and trainee referee Mr Marsh, having a debrief after the meeting.. I did email Jim Lawrence last season (2024) asking: As an ex-football referee and match assessor I am amazed that speedway referees are not assessed at meetings by ex-referees or qualified / experienced match assessors. If this was implemented, it would help the current referees to enhance their performance and eliminate supporters questioning decisions like last night by supporters throughout the UK. I appreciate some riders did not help the referee by their actions last night either, but an assessor would observe and advise for the future. Sorry just my thoughts as I know what it is like as a referee receiving comments from players, supporters, and media and how having a neutral person there supporting and guiding for the future. His response was: Dear Sir. Thank you for your email, the comments of which are noted. It would be inappropriate of me as the Independent Chairman of the SCB to make any comment with the exception that referees are assessed. Thank you for supporting our great sport and that you continue to do so. Yours in sport. Jim Lawrence SCB Chairman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackrat Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Arthur54 said: At least with people moaning about the starting tapes, track marshall etc, it took the attention away from the track prep, which to be honest, was very dusty towards the end Everyone already knows Poole is a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dorsetpirate said: Plus how dangerous it is for the start Marshall standing so close, thought there were rules about that? It's quite shocking to see that picture and know that heat 15 was completed especially in light of the incident with Craig Cook at Edinburgh with the photographer, where the police even got involved, what the referee was thinking in allowing that to happen is quite staggering! SCB Reg: 05.1.3 Neutral Zone Outside the safety fence a Neutral Zone, as designated on the Homologation Certificate is required, to which there must be no access. Edited July 31 by IainB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeStraight Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 SCB Regulation: Rule 15.3.2 – Start Marshal Duties According to published guidance: “The Start Marshal will bring Riders to the Tapes (in order by gate position), position them within the marked grid with front wheels within 75 mm of the tapes, ensure motorcycles are stationary and rear wheels in contact with the track, then signal to the Referee and walk away.” Once they’ve given the signal to the referee, the marshal must walk away from the grid—i.e., they cannot remain on the track or at the start line by the fence. 1. Safety First: Standing on the track or at the tape line—or close by the fence—during the start exposes them to rider movement and potential danger. 2. Regulatory Requirement: The SCB strictly mandates vacating the track before any race start protocol proceeds. 3. Operational Clarity: Keeping marshals off the track ensures full visibility for riders and prevents any obstruction in the staging area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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