Poole Pirates Vs Oxford Cheetahs Championship 30th July.

[Fromafar]

14 minutes ago, Dorsetpirate said:

As a Poole fan from seeing that above picture and reading about it I'm shocked heat 15 went ahead.

Does seem strange decision from the Ref. only in Speedway.

[geoff100]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Maybe ref told him to but ref is at fault either way 

Was it a trainee ref last night?

[Steve Shovlar]

10 hours ago, foreverblue said:

I think many of them will return, it was a good meeting with some good racing and passing, yes a bit dusty at times but that is expected at this time of year.

A family of four were sitting next to us and had never been to speedway before. They have lived in the local area all their lives. Came last night on a whim. We explained the rules and what was going on. The lady was completely enthralled and scared as she thought they would crash at any moment. At the end we said goodbye and they said they would be back next week. Perhaps we have picked up four new fans.

Goes to show incidents like faulty tapes or track issues have zero impact on many fans.

[foreverblue]

9 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Yeah, I didn't realise they were holding it until after the race had finished. Be interesting to hear the refs side on it. 

I doubt you will hear what the ref thought at the time. 

[Bald Bloke]

5 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Was it a trainee ref last night?

SCB Referee: Wayne Jarvis and Josh Marsh (trainee)

[Catalan]

9 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Was it a trainee ref last night?

No although in attendance.

[Arthur54]

At least with people moaning about the starting tapes, track marshall etc, it took the attention away from the track prep, which to be honest, was very dusty towards the end 

[Neila]

19 minutes ago, geoff100 said:

Was it a trainee ref last night?

Yes stated on updates, probably staying in ballie house while down south ☺️

[Dorsetpirate]

29 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Yeah, I didn't realise they were holding it until after the race had finished. Be interesting to hear the refs side on it. 

Plus how dangerous it is for the start Marshall standing so close, thought there were rules about that?

[crescent girl]

10 hours ago, foreverblue said:

I think many of them will return, it was a good meeting with some good racing and passing, yes a bit dusty at times but that is expected at this time of year.

Absolutely not!   Regardless of the calendar, and prevailing weather, tracks are NOT expected to be dusty!      

As one who attends several tracks fairly regularly, I can say with some certainty there are those where dust can be practically guaranteed, and others where it is never, ever, a problem.

Dust at speedway is a result of inadequate preparation, not from any great expectations.

[Bald Bloke]

28 minutes ago, Neila said:

Yes stated on updates, probably staying in ballie house while down south ☺️

Mr. Jarvis, and trainee referee Mr Marsh, having a debrief after the meeting..

 

 

 

 

 

[Toady]

Let’s be honest, most would agree that Heat 15 should have stopped. The start marshal should have been warned or fined for blatantly favouring the home side. He clearly stepped in after seeing the Poole riders in front, just like in previous incidents where he was happy for his side to benefit from race stoppages. The referees’ inaction was poor, especially considering they had a trainee with them. He should have been on it straight away as it was clearly dangerous.
 

Edited 20 hours ago by Toady

[Youhave2minutes]

Might have been a different outcome had Kildemand been riding.

[Bojangles]

1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

Absolutely not!   Regardless of the calendar, and prevailing weather, tracks are NOT expected to be dusty!      

As one who attends several tracks fairly regularly, I can say with some certainty there are those where dust can be practically guaranteed, and others where it is never, ever, a problem.

Dust at speedway is a result of inadequate preparation, not from any great expectations.

But that doesn't always tell the full story. Track prep is often limited by track access, something most multi-use stadiums struggle with. Oxford is a prime example of this. The track for Cheetahs meetings on a Wednesday are rarely as dusty as the track for Spires meetings on a Thursday - because they have to wait for the greyhound meeting to finish in the afternoon. It makes a lot of difference. 

[Rickyag]

49 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

Mr. Jarvis, and trainee referee Mr Marsh, having a debrief after the meeting..

 

 

 

 

 

I did email Jim Lawrence last season (2024) asking:

As an ex-football referee and match assessor I am amazed that speedway referees are not assessed at meetings by ex-referees or qualified / experienced match assessors. If this was implemented, it would help the current referees to enhance their performance and eliminate supporters questioning decisions like last night by supporters throughout the UK. I appreciate some riders did not help the referee by their actions last night either, but an assessor would observe and advise for the future.

Sorry just my thoughts as I know what it is like as a referee receiving comments from players, supporters, and media and how having a neutral person there supporting and guiding for the future.

His response was: 

Dear Sir.

Thank you for your email, the comments of which are noted.

 It would be inappropriate of me as the Independent Chairman of the SCB to make any comment with the exception that referees are assessed.

 Thank you for supporting our great sport and that you continue to do so.

 Yours in sport.

Jim Lawrence

SCB Chairman

 

[Trackrat]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

At least with people moaning about the starting tapes, track marshall etc, it took the attention away from the track prep, which to be honest, was very dusty towards the end 

Everyone already knows Poole is a hole.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, Dorsetpirate said:

Plus how dangerous it is for the start Marshall standing so close, thought there were rules about that?

It's quite shocking to see that picture and know that heat 15 was completed especially in light of the incident with Craig Cook at Edinburgh with the photographer, where the police even got involved, what the referee was thinking in allowing that to happen is quite staggering!

SCB Reg:

05.1.3 Neutral Zone

Outside the safety fence a Neutral Zone, as designated on the Homologation Certificate is required, to which there must be no access.

Edited 19 hours ago by IainB

[Arthur54]

19 minutes ago, Trackrat said:

Everyone already knows Poole is a hole.

How was Birmingham on Monday 

[Toady]

1 hour ago, Bojangles said:

But that doesn't always tell the full story. Track prep is often limited by track access, something most multi-use stadiums struggle with. Oxford is a prime example of this. The track for Cheetahs meetings on a Wednesday are rarely as dusty as the track for Spires meetings on a Thursday - because they have to wait for the greyhound meeting to finish in the afternoon. It makes a lot of difference. 

There are some valid points there, but whenever I went to Wolverhampton, the dogs used to finish around 6 pm. I don’t recall that being dusty at all. Regulars, however, may remember otherwise.

[therefused]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

How was Birmingham on Monday 

pathetic reply